[Bendug] Knock/KNock

[pauld@bendtel.net]

Just curious... are you the Gary Miller of sistersnet.com?  You don't seem
like it.  He was (is?) a VB & Access type.  I met the guy a few years ago
and he was clueless about Open Source... thought Linux was for 'freaky
hippies'.  Sorry... if that was you.

rellim.com... registered back in Oct 1993!  Now that's hardcore.
I'm the 'other' Ruby freak in the user group... at least I think I am.  I
wrote a ~basic~ auction site in PHP/mySQL awhile back (deschuteshay.com). 
It's nice & simple to learn as a first language, and it's extremely well
supported, as is mySQL, and both are bullet-proof due to massive
development interest.  I use Postgres now though due to suggestions from
an 'unnamed' group member... you'll never guess who.  It's nice and solid,
and I've had very few problems with PG.

But I think Ruby is going to have massive adoption in the next few years. 
A few days ago, I tried doing a bare-bones web page on rails hooked to a
mySQL DB, and went from zero to working CRUD page in 30 min, 25 of which
was debugging a stupid one-letter typo.  I think that sort of productivity
(ignoring the typo) is impossible to ignore, and people will demand it in
reduced pricing for that sort of thing:

http://blog.curthibbs.us/articles/2005/12/21/productivity-arbitrage-and-ajax

It also has native Ajax support, which will be required to even get jobs
in a few years.  These are just sweet:

http://demo.script.aculo.us/

Anyway, sorry for knocking you if you're the Sisters Gary Miller, but
'that' guy likes MS Access, and as everyone knows, Access sucks.

Paul

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> Yo Tim!
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> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005, Tim Howe wrote:
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>> 	PHP is everywhere.  Everyone knows it.  It's pretty fast and can manage
>> to do just about anything.  It gets the job done.  I personally find it
>> ugly
>> and unexciting, but that's just me.  Some people are pop drinkers; I'm
>> not.
>
> Well, actually I would rather code in C, now that is fast, but few
> want to pay for that anymore.  Rapid development is what it is all about.
>
>> 	I don't have very nice things to say about MySQL.  I'll just say I
>> greatly prefer PostgreSQL and leave it at that.
>
> I have heard that Postgres has come a long way, it was pretty piss poor
> compared to MySQL about 5 years ago when last I compared them.  There is
> still a lot more free code out there for MySQL than Postgres, and of
> course MySQL is just bullet proof.  Got any good reason that Postgres
> is now ahead of MySQL?  The main one I heard of was that it was pretty
> lite weight, but SQLite now wins that corner.
>
>> Oracle and DB2 may have
>> stuff that you can't get with a free system (not sure what that would
>> be), but
>> you need to have serious money to throw around for that stuff to seem
>> worth
>> it.
>
> Yep, and I have worked with many folks that also wasted serious bucks on
> Oracle bugs.  The damn thing will just not stay running under any basic
> load.  And then they have to gall to call it "Unbreakable."  Hard to
> fix things when you are in total denial.
>
> Yes, DB2 is cool, but I would rather spend the $$ on my own people than
> IBM stuff.
>
>> 	I don't really buy anything...
>
> Well, that is what customers are for!  To buy me nice playthings.
>
>> If we can throw
>> an entire computer together there is ussually some poor geek out there
>> who
>> could benefit from it.
>
> I find that a good deed rarely goes unpunished.  For some reason when
> I give someone a computer they think it came with a lifetime warranty
> from yours truly.  Better that the stuff rots in my dog pile.
>
> RGDS
> GARY
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